"kids' stuff xd"

[Umpa^]

So Koga, Lets see. Why did i break the rules? Maybe the same reason you broke just as many rules before i started breaking them that round. :LOL:  Jokes too far? I get them all the time for being a fox. can i not joke back? Breaking rules? Are u so dumb/blind u do not see other wbs breaking them? including yourself? Koga, I dont respect you. Idc if you are a wbs member or not. That is my personality style. You want childish?  How about making a topic that victimizes yourself in teamspeak,  so you dont have to confront me? 
This topic is directed towards koga. (Sry if it slaps others in the face on its way to koga) I dont mean any disrespect to the other WBS members.  I havent any problems with any of you. *so it seems* But i hope if i do. You will grow some balls and talk to me unlike koga. -ragequit, then break rules for numerous maps expecting me not to do it back to him. Then make a topic about me. And pretend everything is alright.   Such an assinine and redundant thing to do. Glad i made this topic under spam.   :LOL:  Generally Yes. I do keep rules.. But This is WBS server. So sry if i was misguided by a wbs member and broke the rules as a result of him breaking them. On his own accord    http://www.worldbestsoldiers.smfnew.com/index.php?topic=716.0

[Tuesday]

You tend to report it to an admin when someone breaks the rules on a server.

[Umpa^]

Isnt that what the ban section is for?  Why make a topic in the part of the forum where i couldnt explain myself. By doing that everyone gets a preconcieved notion that koga wasnt breaking any rules. That I randomly decided to break the rules on a server i frequent on.    No?

[Pro Sniper]

Umpa... i'm not trying to get on your bad side, but i do believe that Koga has the right to keep what he wants private, private.
When you left the clan, you kept a lot of information from others and that's how many people left it. So you don't really have the right to infringe on Koga's privacy.
You have your say, yes. But what people want to keep private should stay that way. And I just hope you don't forget what you believed should be kept private with your ordeals.

And one more note, even though I do have respect for you, Koga has been quiet a loyal member through the thick and thin, and you left because of a few comments (may have seemed more to you in that situation, but that's what they were). So I'm naturally going to lean towards Koga's side.

Sorry if this is sounding a little mean, but I'm sure you're a person who can take another person's point of view. This is in no way intended to make things bad between the two of us.

-Pro

[Tuesday]

If the poster would prefer to post it in the team section because they don't want someone else to see it they can, perhaps he put it there because he didn't want you to get annoyed at him because perhaps he values your friendship. In the team section it is still able to get input from all the clan members which are the main contributors on this forum.

[Umpa^]

I do understand the privacy thing. But the way koga went about it was wrong. When i left. I did keep lots of information private. Is that so bad? That i dont trust certain people. And that only 1 person in this clan knows the Real reason why i left. It wasnt just a few comments.   But even so. If a few comments is all it takes to make a person leave. Which is what i made all of you believe.. Then why continue with them? And why not change anything? I didnt make this topic to talk about my leaving. Its done and over with. I only made this topic to talk it over. Because I dont see how right it is for me to be called out on all of this. When it continues daily with koga and others. Yet nothing is being done or said for them and what they do.. Thats why i made this topic. Nothing more, Nothing less. @Tues- He knows very well i am annoyed.. If he wanted to make things better.. This wasnt the way to do it.

[Pro Sniper]

How was the way he "went about it" wrong? If he wanted to talk to his clan members about it, so be it. In your words Umpa; Koga did keep lots of information private. Is that so bad?
And another reason why I have to trust Koga more at this moment; he hasn't kept anything from us, and he doesn't make us believe information that may not be true. You can never change what happened in the past, and I doubt you would want to, but it can have effects that can be unfavorable and favorable for you as a person, and this time it just happens to be unfavorable.
I'm sorry Umpa, that's just how I see it. And I'm done with the subject, there is no way I'm being a mediator on this.

[Umpa^]

By going about it wrong. He had kill and others confront me. "I hear u glitch and break rules." Yes admins and yes You should be concerned with matters invovling rule breaking on your server. But if the problem starts with members breaking the rules then others breaking them as a result. Then dont publicly confront me and call me a noob. When you havent heard my side of the story. And cant see that some of the issues are with the members. And some things should be solved on their own. I never wanted you to be a mediator. "This topic is directed @ koga." As far as it is. Koga can make you believe he didnt do anything wrong or make u believe info that may not be true. As can i. The difference is. I have the balls to tell you.  :Sorry: thats how it is. Because from the ways ive been confronted. He did do just that and make u believe the rule breaking was all on my part.  :Bump:   "I didnt make this topic to talk about my leaving." I have no regrets with my choices and didnt come here to make this topic to talk about them.

[Pro Sniper]

First off, I hope you aren't saying I called  you a noob... 
Secondly, I only used you leaving as an example for my argumentative points.
Thirdly, I never said you asked me to be a mediator, I merely said I did not want to be.
Lastly, I never said Koga did not break rules, for I have seen him do some things before, and I have talked to him about it. I have seen both of you break rules even when you weren't copying others actions, so it can go both ways for either of you. And in case you ask what rules, I'll stick to the most common. For Koga, I would say it is camping. As for you, I would say ignoring administrator's requests (This is mostly for me when i have asked you many times to control your temper and you have to win the argument you are in... But I have to say you have been getting much better and I thank you for that). You do not usually camp, but Koga always listens when an administrator tells him to do something.
 
I hope you guys can figure this out, because we do not need this in our clan.

[Umpa^]

Yes yes i see your points..  :LOL:  But i Just wanted to make sure things got set straight. I was called out numerous times for breaking rules, without ever being asked or talked to about it.
But times like last time.. There wasnt any admins, And he didnt stop when asked. Then victimized himself. Which is what pissed me off more then anything. He could atleast own up to it.   

(This is mostly for me when i have asked you many times to control your temper and you have to win the argument you are in... But I have to say you have been getting much better and I thank you for that). 

Arent you glad... Im pretty sure what i wanted to say in my first post would have gotten me in way more trouble... Hurhur....  :\

[Dragonlizard]

I'm with umpa on this argument ^^ ... even if he's in the same clan , I have some personal issues with as well...

[Zaraspook]

*crys* I...i just a little treehugger and I hate fighting, please baby stop!...for the treehuggers!

[Kill Machine]

First of all when i was reading the tittle of the topic i was thinking: "Hell yeah, this will be an awesome topic "

But, when i started reading i changed to a bad mood 

When Koga wants to make a topic about any problems what he has/had then it is his good right to make a topic in Teamtalk. No discussion. Koga just said that you killed in glitch and you were camping.. He didn't want to Ban you, he just wanna tell us this. He didn't feel good about this situation, which i understand cause you both are most of the time makeing lots of fun and laugh much.

Idk what exactly happened, but i think you were just makeing fun and there happened something what Koga didn't like. He was getting mad and asked you to stop. Well when you don't stop i can understand he makes a topic. But that doesn't mean he has no right to telling us this. I said i go talk with Umpa, but i had not really the time to talk to you yet sadly, then this topic wasn't made!

It's true that members sometimes break rules, but in generally it happens when they are makeing fun. And there is a different between really breaking rules to do bad stuff to other payers and break rules for fun. You are blind if you don't see the different, but sometimes there are players who don't see the different. I mean this in generally.

It's difficult to say who was fault cause idk what the real story is. But yes, if Koga did the same and made a topic about you then it isn't really nice. In my opinion this situation shouldn't be pointed out here.

Why Umpa left doesn't matter here, that's the past and we don't need to talk about it.

And what i most hate is telling other clans that own clanmembers break any rules, cause they should look first to their own clan. If that clan doing all things well and don't break rules than you can start about other clans.

And that topic what pace made is the past. We changed all in the positive way. No need to put that link here!

You guys should all be a bit more mature and don't act like kids. I know it's hard for some but it will help you more than you think. Crying about other players or clans is not needed, atleast there happened something really bad. I mean this too in generally!

I don't think this was really bad, but just an annoying situation what a little bit exploded. Sadly :/

These are my thoughts and if you don't like it idc ^.^

But guys i still love you  :LOL:

[Umpa^]

He does have that right. But to victimize himself and put me all at fault, then act like its all good Isnt. He wouldnt talk to me personally, then decided to go and make a topic. Idc if u guys have topics about me or anyone else for that matter in WBS teamspeak. Not my concern. But when others get involved and call me out for something. W.o. even knowing the whole story.. Thats not cool(Period). You only had the time to tell me i was breaking rules. But u didnt give me the time of day to explain myself.. Or understand it. I only posted paces link here to show some of my points i was making. 
-Last-
I did NOT make this topic speaking for all FOXES. I made it as a guest of the wbs server. I dont speak for my clan. I never did nor will. I am not even a full member. Nothing i say goes for FOXES. I speak for myself. I never did cry. I never needed any of this. Mind you, It was you and others who confronted me of a little confrontation between me and koga. Nothing more.. It wasnt needed for you all to get involved, You did so willingly. That is why This topic is titled kids' stuff. It was just an argueent that got out of hand. You didnt need to get involved, No1 did. But you did. So call me a child. But you are also pointing the finger at yourself for jumping to conclusions & making a big deal over an arguement.. - <3

[Kill Machine]

Ehm i think you didn't understand it 100% I was more speaking in generally , so also to our wbs members.

He does have that right. But to victimize himself and put me all at fault, then act like its all good Isnt. He wouldnt talk to me personally, then decided to go and make a topic.

Agreed, but like i said, idk what happened exactly and yes when he did the same, it's not good when he did this like he now did So what i try to say cause i am speaking to you all people, so also to you and also to Koga, look first to your own behavour and if that is good then you can start about a other player.

Idc if u guys have topics about me or anyone else for that matter in WBS teamspeak. Not my concern. But when others get involved and call me out for something. W.o. even knowing the whole story.. Thats not cool(Period). You only had the time to tell me i was breaking rules. But u didnt give me the time of day to explain myself.. Or understand it. I only posted paces link here to show some of my points i was making. 
-Last-

We don't have topics about any members, it was just Koga who made it. And yes i was willing to talk with you, but i didn't get really the chance, last time when you asked to come on Xfire, i wasn't really able to come online. I came later but then you weren't online :/. I was hopeing to speak you later and then this topic wasn't made i think.

I did NOT make this topic speaking for all FOXES. I made it as a guest of the wbs server. I dont speak for my clan. I never did nor will. I am not even a full member. Nothing i say goes for FOXES. I speak for myself. I never did cry. I never needed any of this.

I meant that too as general.

Mind you, It was you and others who confronted me of a little confrontation between me and koga. Nothing more.. It wasnt needed for you all to get involved, You did so willingly. That is why This topic is titled kids' stuff. It was just an argueent that got out of hand.

I wanted to speak with you about this yes. I didn't want to attack you :/ I wanted to get some information about what happened. I only heard Koga his story

You didnt need to get involved, No1 did. But you did. So call me a child. But you are also pointing the finger at yourself for jumping to conclusions & making a big deal over an arguement.. - <3

I did yes, cause i was willing to solve this.. I didn't make any conlcusions cause i don't know what happened exactly..

When i spoke you yesterday on Xfire, this topic wasn't made So i see it also a bit to my fault that this was made. I am not mad on you let that be clear. <3